the kinds of emphasis that in fact john kerry has but -- wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. even as you're working on foreign policy, you've got to work on increasing the number of women in the u.s. congress. >> but look, if you're talking just about the question of the impact on women and the role of women, let's look at one aspect of afghanistan, which so often is talked about in the sense of we have to be at war in afghanistan to protect the women. well, let's look at what these 11 years of occupation have led for women. >> that's not what i'm saying, by the way, just so you know. >> but this is a huge argument here and the idea is that women are somehow better off with this occupation, with this war than they would have been otherwise. afghanistan right now is in exactly the same position in the rankings of save the children and unicef on where is it safest for a woman to give birth and where is it safest for a child to be born and live to her first birthday in the world. afghanistan is the worst place for a woman to give birth, it used to be second, now it's first. and